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Berichtdoor Robby » 13 jun 2015, 21:56

Vandaag ben ik maar eens begonnen met het reviseren van originele kachelventielen!
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Shameer » 13 jun 2015, 22:11

Weer als nieuw! Goed bezig.

Waar dient het voor en heb ik dat ook in mijn SEC?
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Janr2016 » 13 jun 2015, 22:25

Netjes Rob!
wat kosten de ventielen?
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Robby » 13 jun 2015, 22:50

Helaas Jan, ik maak deze klaar voor een kennis!
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 13 jun 2015, 23:08

De interessantere vraag is: waar heb je rubbers vandaan?
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 13 jun 2015, 23:23

Die kennis heeft dan een indrukwekkende collectie!

Ik sluit me trouwens aan bij de vraag van Shameer. Ik snap het principe van een ventiel (eenrichtingsverkeer), maar hoe dat precies in de verwarming van onze wagens werkt? Iets met circulerend water?
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 14 jun 2015, 01:24

In het kachelhuis zit een warmtewisselaar, daar stroomt de koelvloeistof van de motor doorheen.
Buitenlucht stroomt door de warmtewisselaar en wordt daarbij opgewarmd.
Om de temperatuur van de uitstromende lucht te regelen, sluit het ventiel de koelvloeistofstroom telkens (enkele keren per seconde), voor lagere temperaturen is het ventiel langer gesloten dan open, voor hogere temperaturen is het langer open dan gesloten.
Is het temperatuurwieltje op MIN gedraaid, dan wordt het ventiel constant gesloten gehouden, in de stand MAX is het ventiel constant geopend.
Bij de "normale" airco, of bij geen airco is de warmtewisselaar in twee helften verdeeld, eentje voor links en eentje voor rechts, elk met een eigen ventiel (die samen in het duoventiel zitten).
Bij de automatische airco worden beide helften van de warmtewisselaar tegelijkertijd door 1 ventiel geregeld.

Als er een airco ingebouwd is, is er ook nog een verdamper in het kachelhuis verbouwd, waarmee de doorstromende lucht afgekoeld kan worden, maar dat is een verhaal apart.
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Douwe » 14 jun 2015, 08:29

Ik hoop dat die kennis weet waar hij aan begint
ik ben gestopt met het reviseren van defecte ventielen
puur omdat in de ventielen veren zitten die ook niet het eeuwige leven hebben
hier door willen de ventielen niet goed meer open gaan
Ik had nog maar 10 gerepareerd toen dienden de eerste problemen zich al aan
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor 126 » 14 jun 2015, 08:33

Hoi Douwe.
Zijn die veren dan niet te vervangen?
Of zijn ze niet verkrijgbaar :?:
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Douwe » 14 jun 2015, 08:50

Die veren zitten in de stalen huls en die is in de fabriek geklonken door de deukjes in de zijkant
hierdoor kan hij bijna niet meer uit elkaar zonder hem stuk te maken.
ook zitten binnen in aanslag rubbertjes die uitharden naar verloop van jaren.
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 14 jun 2015, 10:08

Bedankt voor je uitleg weer, Leeflang! Weer wat geleerd.
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Douwe » 14 jun 2015, 15:25

hier een doorsnede van een kachel ventiel waar de veer te zien is die de plunjer moet open trekken tegen de water druk in .
tevens kan je zien dat er ook al wel wat vervuiling binnen in gaande is wat de werking ook niet echt ten voordeel komt.

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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 14 jun 2015, 19:43

Mooi plaatje, Douwe! :handgestures-thumbup: Speciaal voor ons eentje opengemaakt?
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Douwe » 14 jun 2015, 19:51

dat heb ik een poosje geleden al eens gedaan
toen hadden we een discussie over de werking van zon ventiel
ik beweerde toen dat hij door een veer in zijn rust stand werd getrokken
anderen beweerden wat anders
je kan dan heel lang discussiëren over iets maar als je het bewijs levert is de zaak afgedaan :grin:
als de veer die binnen in de plunjer zit te slap is gaat het ventiel niet meer open onder het rijden
en word je kachel koud en blijft koud
zelfs als je de spanning van het ventiel weg neemt blijft hij gesloten (zonder spanning hoort het ventiel in rust stand open te staan)
als je de motor uitzet 5 tellen wacht en weer start staat het ventiel weer open en blijft de kachel zonder spanning op het ventiel heet .
als je dit probleem ervaart weet je waar je het moet zoeken :handgestures-salute:
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Robby » 15 jun 2015, 22:12

Ik heb er in ieder geval al heel wat gereviseerd, sommige meer dan een jaar geleden en ik heb er nog geen klachten over gekregen.
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor ElGriffo » 15 jun 2015, 22:34

Denk als er bij rob 1 defect gaat je wel weer een andere krijgt ;)

Als hij ze verkocht heeft dan he :mrgreen:
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Shameer » 16 jun 2015, 18:00

Bedankt Leeflang!

Het is nu een stuk duidelijker
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor 560snel » 16 jun 2015, 22:06

Misschien ff testen voordat je ze gaat reviseren?
Spoel erop even spanning erop en dan weet je of ie het doet toch
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 16 jun 2015, 22:19

Blijkbaar geeft dat niet altijd uitsluitsel.
In de open lucht gedraagt het ventiel zich toch een beetje anders dan in de koelvloeistof.
Het kan zijn dat de veer niet meer sterk genoeg is om de druk van de vloeistof te overwinnen.
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Re: kachelventiel

Berichtdoor 560snel » 16 jun 2015, 22:52

Ok dus zo los doet ie het altijd wel, jammer!
Is misschien ook wel te vogelen met gewoon waterdruk en een kachelkraan maar toch al weer een stuk bewerkelijker.
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