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Berichtdoor steven500 » 27 jun 2018, 10:17

Beste forumleden,

Ik ben nieuw op het forum,vorige week een W126 500SEC 1984(complete ombouw 1989)gekocht met een paar "probleempjes.
Stationair loopt ie als hij koud heeft ok,echter als hij warm heeft stijgt het toerental ook op LPG(1500rpm),ik weet dat er al veel over gepost is maar toch deze vraag.
Als ik op het relais meet(hetgeen word aangestuurd door de leerlauf),meet ik 2,8-3 V ,is dit correct?
Indien niet,moet ik er van uitgaan de leerlauf defect is?
Alvast bedankt voor de info.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 28 jun 2018, 07:06

Beste forumleden,

Niemand die mij kan zeggen wat de spanning moet zijn op het relais die bestuurd word door de leerlauf module?
Zowel koud als warm.
Of een link naar een eerder topic?
Alvast bedankt.

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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 28 jun 2018, 14:32

Ik neem aan dat met "het relais" de regelklep die het stationair toerental regelt (ook wel sigaar, of - ten onrechte - stappenmotor genoemd) bedoeld wordt.
Bij 0 volt is de klep geheel open, bij 12 volt geheel gesloten, alles daartussenin kan goed zijn.
In het werkplaatshandboek wordt de spanning niet genoemd, wel de stroom, die hoort tussen 600 en 750 mA of tussen 700 en 1000 mA te liggen (wanneer welke van de twee geldt is me niet duidelijk).
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 28 jun 2018, 16:00

Beste forumleden,

Eerst en vooral bedankt om mee te denken.
Ok bedoelde inderdaad de "sigaar".
Heb deze ochtend mijn luchtfilterhuis eraf genomen.
En alle componenten bespoten met remmenreiniger,en kwam tot volgende vaststelling dat de motor verhoogde in toeren.
Bij nadere inspectie zag ik dat de "clamp\spanband" niet meer spande van de plastiek bak die onderaan op de injectiekop zit.
Onderdeel nummer van de plastiek bak(116 140 0618) voor een duidelijker beeld te krijgen.
Nu nog even naar de dealer voor het stuknummer van de spanband,of moest iemand het nummer weten.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 28 jun 2018, 16:34

Beste forumleden,

Ik denk er ook aan om meer dingen te vervangen dan alleen maar de bak onder de injectiekop.
Mocht iemand een adres weten waar ik mijn stukken kan kopen,anders ga ik wel naar de dealer.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 28 jun 2018, 17:19

Ik zat fout, maar vanwege de "complete ombouw 1989" zou het toch nog wel eens toepasselijk kunnen zijn.
De eerder genoemde waardes zijn voor KE Jetronic (serie 2).
Voor K-Jetronic (serie 1) is het 1050-1200 mA.

Het is dus van belang te weten wat voor motor er nu in zit, ook in verband met de te bestellen onderdelen, er zijn verschillen.
Bij de dealer gaan ze normaliter uit van het chassisnummer en vinden ze daarbij de oorspronkelijk ingebouwde motor.
Maar als die vervangen is, heb je kans dat ze zo de verkeerde onderdelen vinden.
Wellicht is het dus verstandig het motornummer te noteren.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 28 jun 2018, 19:29

Morgen plaats ik foto's van de motor.
Zowel interieur,exterieur zijn type 2.
Motor heeft zwarte kleppendeksels.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 28 jun 2018, 19:31

Heb eens op de link naar 'de hobbyhut' geklikt,gewoon schitterend.
Alleen jammer dat dit in België niet bestaat.
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Berichtdoor steven500 » 29 jun 2018, 07:05

IMG_20180629_064345.jpgHeb het motornummer gevonden
117 965 .
Hier hebben we enkele foto's van de motor.
Je hebt geen permissies om de bijlage(n)) in dit bericht te zien.
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Berichtdoor steven500 » 29 jun 2018, 07:07

Nog eentje
Je hebt geen permissies om de bijlage(n)) in dit bericht te zien.
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Berichtdoor steven500 » 29 jun 2018, 07:09

En de laatste
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Berichtdoor Leeflang » 29 jun 2018, 15:32

Oorspronkelijk zat er motor 117963 12 045559 in.
Wat er nu in zit is een motor van de tweede serie.
Opletten dus bij het bestellen van onderdelen.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 30 jun 2018, 00:45

Ga ik op letten.
@ benzhans2 heb je mijn pm ontvangen?
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 01 jul 2018, 15:50

Maandag of dinsdag bij de dealer langs om het een en ander te bestellen,zodat deze mooi stationair blijft draaien.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 01 jul 2018, 20:51

@ leeflang,heb jij mijn pm ontvangen?
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Berichtdoor steven500 » 01 jul 2018, 20:52

@ leeflang he jij mijn pm ontvangen?
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 01 jul 2018, 21:39

Nee, niets ontvangen.
Staat het wel bij jouw verzonden berichten? ucp.php?i=pm&folder=sentbox
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 02 jul 2018, 13:27

Nu wel, en beantwoord.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor Mbmb » 03 jul 2018, 10:51

Een uitkomst kan ook zijn dat je toerental niet goed kan krijgen, zeker met type 2 Jet-tronic. Ik ken gevallen waarbij alles vervangen (inclusief spinnekop, ontsteking, etc) is en geen vacuüm lekkage en toch slecht stationair (dit geval te hoog). Dus houdt daar ook rekening mee voordat dit een gebed zonder einde wordt.
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Re: slecht draaien stationair

Berichtdoor steven500 » 03 jul 2018, 12:01

Heb met remmen reiniger onder de spinnekop(dus de rubber bak)gespoten en toerental gaat de hoogte in.Van zodra ik deze heb vervangen meld ik dit op het forum.grtz
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