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Kickdown op LPG

Specifieke zaken omtrent het rijden op LPG kunnen hier geplaatst worden zodat we alle zaken omtrent LPG hier verzameld hebben staan.

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Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor Sieggy » 29 dec 2019, 10:16

Beste,

Vraagje aan de lpg-rijders met OMVL superverdamper en de 5liter of 5,6liter blokken:

Mijn wagen houdt telkens in op LPG bij kickdown.
Gisteren een knal van een backfire gehad na kickdown.
De ontsteking is helemaal nieuw en co was net afgeregeld.

Iemand gelijkaardige verhalen?
Wordt er bij kickdown zodanig veel LPG gevraagd dat de installatie dit niet aankan?
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor Sieggy » 31 dec 2019, 15:59

Bedankt Hans. Weer een ervaring rijker en een illusie armer...

Het verhaal na de knal:
- Op LPG is alles zoals voorheen/normaal.
- Op benzine start de wagen niet meer.

Luchtfilter afgenomen en een optische inspectie gedaan. Er is niets abnormaals te merken. Stuwschijf kaarsrecht, draagarm ok. Rubberen onderbak ok.
Als je tijdens het starten de stuwschijf een centimeter indrukt (door er fysiek op te drukken), krijg je de motor aan de praat.
Als je vervolgens gasgeeft, blijft de motor draaien.
Wanneer je het gaspedaal loslaat, slaat de motor direct af.

Iemand een idee wat er kapot is?
Alvast bedankt voor het meedenken en prettige feesten gewenst!
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor Vlim » 31 dec 2019, 16:51

Arm van de stuwschijf verbogen.
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor w126560td » 01 jan 2020, 14:46

Waarschijnlijk heb je een vacuümlek na je backfire overgehouden. controleer al jou vacuüm slangetjes rondom en onder je Jettronik. Het komt ook wel is voor dat na een backfire de slang waar je stappen motor op zit los schiet dan zal jou stuwschijf ook niet naar beneden gaan. Zoals Hans ook beschrijft kleine lekkages geven nare storingen, jou stuwschijf gaat omlaag d.m.v. vacuüm als er lekage is zal deze dienst weigeren. Opnieuw CO afstellen is zeker geen overbodige luxe en waarschijnlijk noodzakelijk zoals Vlim hierboven heeft vermeld. Zorg eerst dat alle slangetjes op zijn plaats zijn controleer ook de plastik onder je Jetronik of die niet kapot of uit zijn gleuf is, daarna co afstellen en rijden. Er zitten ook 2 vacuumslangetjes onder je stuwschijf dit was bij mijn 500SEL wel of dit bij de 560 ook is weet ik niet.
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor Sieggy » 02 jan 2020, 22:21

Het is gelukt door de stelschroef een halve draai naar rechts te draaien.
Alles lijkt weer normaal. Co wordt binnenkort opnieuw afgeregeld.

Er werd een rooktest gedaan en enkel de gasklep lekt, maar dat schijnt normaal te zijn.

Bedankt voor de hulp!
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor Sieggy » 04 apr 2020, 16:21

Opnieuw backfire gehad ondanks dat alles van ontsteking en CO in orde zou moeten zijn.
Sedert mijn eerste backfire hou ik er rekening mee om het gaspedaal langzaam in te drukken..

Deze keer gebeurde het bij een draai naar links van bijna 180°.
Ik gaf wat gas bij in de draai en *bang* ik stond stil. De tank was 75% vol.

Na 400 EUR takelkosten betaald te hebben, zag ik dat de sigaar en een deel van de injectierubbers losgevlogen waren.

Ik begin die onbetrouwbaarheid op LPG moe te worden.
De verhalen dat zo'n venturi-systeem weinig problemen geeft klopt in mijn geval alleszins niet.

Ik wil blijven verder rijden op LPG, maar er moet iets fundamenteel veranderen. Wie-o-wie kan mij helpen?

Alvast bedankt!
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor w126560td » 04 apr 2020, 17:53

Is je lucht ingang van je luchtfilter omgedraaid zodat deze geen direkte lucht hapt van buiten. Aangezien je op LPG rijd is dit noodzakelijk, anders kun je in een bocht te veel lucht naar binnen kunnen krijgen waardoor je auto uitvalt, onregelmatig begint te lopen of ontploft backfire.
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 04 apr 2020, 18:51

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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor Vlim » 04 apr 2020, 19:22

Een, inmiddels overleden, specialist in Duitsland bouwde een electronisch geregelde constructie in die bij het sluiten van de schijf een microschakelaar indrukte, waardoor een elektrische klep in de gasleiding de gastoevoer beperkte. Daar had hij goede ervaringen mee. Geen idee of dat een eigen vinding of een versie van een toeleverancier was.
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor Sieggy » 04 apr 2020, 20:42

Bedankt voor de reacties allemaal.

De luchtfilter zuigt geen rijwind aan.
De CO staat op 3% onder vollast en op ongeveer 5% stationair. (Iets te rijk dus, net om het back-fire probleem te voorkomen).

Ben in contact met Douwe. Een circulatiepomp zou dit probleem moeten oplossen.
Dit zal ik eerst installeren en ik laat mijn bevindingen weten.
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Berichtdoor Bertorelli » 05 apr 2020, 00:01

Ik denk dat hans een 'g' vergeten is. :lol:
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor w126560td » 05 apr 2020, 08:55

In turkije gebruiken ze deze systeem voor LPG, dit lijkt ook beter te werken dan met orginele filter systeem. Het gaat niet om de sportfilter maar het onderdeel wat speciaal is aangepast voor de LPG systeem.
Je hebt geen permissies om de bijlage(n)) in dit bericht te zien.
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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor w126560td » 05 apr 2020, 09:05

Voor ongeveer 300 euro wordt een oud LPG systeem omgebouwd naar injectie systeem W126 6 cilinder, mieschien een opties om via Turkije deze systeem te importeren. Prijs lijkt mij beduidend lager dan in Nederland. Ik kan jullie daarbij helpen met opsturen enzv. Systeem heeft 2 jaar garantie en werkt perfect.

In Turkije rijden echt heel veel auto's op LPG waardoor deze markt goed ontwikkled is.
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Berichtdoor Sieggy » 06 apr 2020, 23:16

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Re: Kickdown op LPG

Berichtdoor w126560td » 07 apr 2020, 09:08

Een vriend gaat deze injectie systeem in zijn W126 laten inbouwen. Hij had al een prijs offerte gekregen vandaar dat ik al een prijs heb genoemd. Nu zijn de meeste bedrijven gesloten in Turkije i.v.m. corona waardoor ik geen nieuwe informatie kan bemachtigen. Wanneer deze project start zullen wij uiteraard een toppic starten hier op het forum delen.

Onderdelen bemachtigen en opsturen is makkelijk maar zo'n systeem wordt met laptop afgestelt, belangrijk is of we de software kunnen krijgen en of.de hardware in Nederland past om alles aftestellen.

Ten tweede er moet iets niet goed zitten in of rondom je motor waardoor die backfired. Als alles goed afgestelt is, in en rondom je motor in orde is dan zou je motor niet moeten backfiren. Rijd jou auto op de stappen motor en orginele elektrische instalatie..?
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Berichtdoor Sieggy » 07 apr 2020, 17:10

De motor is origineel en gereviseerd.
Toch draait de motor inderdaad niet 100%.
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