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Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Thebenz126 » 08 aug 2022, 15:35

Hallo, ik heb plots een grote lekkage wat lijkt tussen bak en motor. Zit daar iets wat kan lekken of is het helaas pindakaas voor n bak-keerring
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Thebenz126 » 09 aug 2022, 11:46

Oke, op zich lukt me dit wel.
Moet er iets bij de pook los of is aan de onderkant de mogelijkheid..
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 09 aug 2022, 14:14

Hier zijn een paar video's over het verwijderen van de versnellingsbak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cst1E1wW1hM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLuqh48u3Eo

De verbindingsstang tussen pook en versnellingsbak kan onder de auto losgemaakt worden (zie 19:10 tot 19:40 in de eerste video).
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 09 aug 2022, 14:41

Zoals Hans al meldde is het niet altijd de keerring die lekt, het kan ook een grote O-ring zijn in de primaire pomp.
Voor het verwijderen van de primaire pomp zie de eerste 1:45 minuten van https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZJn7aEUAQk
Vanaf 40:25 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gs0vxE1Mkw wordt de primaire pomp van nieuwe ringen voorzien.
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Thebenz126 » 10 aug 2022, 10:07

Oke thanx,

En de onderdelen waar haal je zoiets?
Staat wel een bak-setje op autodoc zag ik, dan heb ik alles neem ik aan? Rond de 60euro
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Berichtdoor Leeflang » 10 aug 2022, 12:59

Losse onderdelen kun je i.h.a. bij de Mercedes dealer bestellen.

Er zijn ook legio bedrijven die versnellingsbakken reviseren, ongetwijfeld is er eentje bij jou in de buurt te vinden.
Sommige daarvan, maar niet alle, zijn ook wel bereid losse onderdelen te leveren.

autodoc e.d. kan natuurlijk ook.
Of de set die je gezien hebt compleet is, is niet te beoordelen zonder het te zien.
autodoc zou je moeten kunnen vertellen wat er in de set zit en of dat compleet is.

Let wel op dat je onderdelen aanschaft die passen in jouw versnellingsbak.
Controleer dus welke versnellingsbak onder de auto hangt.
Van belang zijn de eerste 6 cijfers van het serienummer, ingeslagen aan de rechterkant, net boven de olie pan.
Bij een 500SE van 1986 zou dat 722.356 moeten zijn.
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Thebenz126 » 01 sep 2022, 22:44

Mijn nummer op de bak is 722.350 is dat anders? Moet ik daar rekening mee houden bestellen an een pakkingset?
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 02 sep 2022, 01:31

Voor de 722.356 geldt pakkingenset 1262704100, vervangen door 1262704300, vervangen door 1262706100.
Voor de 722.350 geldt pakkingenset 1262709701, vervangen door 1262701600, vervangen door 1262704300, vervangen door 1262706100,
of pakkingenset 1262703500, vervangen door 1262704100, vervangen door 1262704300, vervangen door 1262706100.

Het komt allemaal uiteindelijk uit op 1262706100 dus.
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Thebenz126 » 02 sep 2022, 14:17

Top thankx
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Nachtuil » 03 sep 2022, 21:22

IMG_20220903_181133.jpgIMG_20220903_181114.jpgIk ben er ook mee bezig. Nadat ik over twee weken de olie en filter vervangen had heb ik plots veel olieverlies. Ik dacht eerst dat het stopje van de koppelomvormer zou lekken maar het staat goed vast met een nieuwe dichting. De bouten staan heel vast en van die inbusbouten aan de cardan heb ik al ene kapotgedraait. Daar heb ik de kop van moeten afzagen.
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Nachtuil » 06 sep 2022, 19:12

IMG_20220906_175409.jpgIMG_20220906_172051.jpgIMG_20220906_185428.jpg
Zover staan we dan, de bak is er onderuit. Maar ik vrees dat alle moeite voor niets was. Aan de koppelomvormer hangt alleen olie aan de kant van het stopje. Dus moet de plotse olielek na de olie wissel toch aan dat stopje liggen. Nu vraag ik mij toch wel af hoe sommigen aan zo en klus beginnen zonder hefbrug. En op de filmpjes en beschrijving hier van Guus lees ik dat die de cardan demonteren alsook de uitlaat. Dat is toch niet nodig je kan die cardan toch wat achteruit schuiven en boven de bak houden met een blokje.
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Berichtdoor ll-cool-gj » 06 sep 2022, 20:08

Ach bekijk het zo; ik vermoedde eerst ook de koppelomvormer. Alles weer teruggebouwd; weer lekkage... Bleek primaire pomp. De 2e keer zelfstandig de bak gedemonteerd en gemonteerd. Hoop geleerd
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Berichtdoor Nachtuil » 06 sep 2022, 20:10

Ik had na het aflaten van de koppelomvormer een koperen ringetje uit een assortiment doos genomen en dat was dus een beetje te groot zodat het niet in de uitsparing paste.
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Re: Plots grote ATF lekkage

Berichtdoor Thebenz126 » 06 sep 2022, 21:15

Ik zie verdorie niet waar dat ie lekt...
Dan maar alles vervangen ook inclusief de krukaskeering. Wie weet waar ik losse keerringen en pakkingen krijg? Iedereeen ligt te zeuren over originele nummers die ik niet kan geven
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Berichtdoor Nachtuil » 06 sep 2022, 22:39

Je ziet toch de kleur van de olie. Rode olie is van de bak en zwarte olie is van de motor. De keerring voor de bak haal ik in een winkel van lagers en riemen. De dichting koord voor de motor hebben ze bijvoorbeeld bij autodoc.
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Berichtdoor Leeflang » 06 sep 2022, 23:24

De kleur van de olie is inderdaad een goede indicatie of het de versnellingsbak dan wel de motor betreft.

Mocht je de achterste krukaskeerring willen vervangen: het nummer is 1209970246.
Kost bij Mercedes 35 à 40 euro: https://originalteile.mercedes-benz.de/ ... 1209970246
Bij autodoc e.d. ca. 20 euro.

Er is ook een speciale versie voor gevallen waar het loopvlak van de krukas beschadigingen vertoont.
Die heeft nummer 0019978747.
Die wordt niet gevonden op https://originalteile.mercedes-benz.de en is dan ook waarschijnlijk niet leverbaar.
Bij Marcel Kappen is hij wel te koop, voor 13,31: https://mercedes-classic-parts.com/prod ... 019978747/
En ook bij autodoc e.d. vanaf iets meer dan 10 euro.
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Berichtdoor Thebenz126 » 07 sep 2022, 10:23

Klopt die keerringen zijn geen probleem.Pakking van het pomphuis en rubberen afdichting van pomphuis wel. Zijn alleen in een set wat ik zie van 120euro maar los vind ik ze niet. Ik ga geen 120 euro voor 1 papieren pakking betalen
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Berichtdoor Leeflang » 07 sep 2022, 12:57

Zoals ik al eerder schreef: "Losse onderdelen kun je i.h.a. bij de Mercedes dealer bestellen."
Die papieren pakking kun je gewoon bij de Mercedes dealer kopen (bestellen) voor ca. 10 euro, de grote O-ring voor ca. 5 euro, de keerring van de versnellingsbak voor ca. 20 euro.
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Berichtdoor Nachtuil » 08 sep 2022, 22:12

IMG_20220908_163705.jpg Ik heb de dichting ook bij de dealer gaan halen omdat deze tegen hoge temperatuur moet kunnen, en tevens de tiles voor de schakelstang gekocht. De bak zit er onder met enkele bouten maar ik zal die terug wat moeten lossen omdat de gaten in het Vliegwiel niet overeen komen met die in de koppelomvormer, en met een schroevendraaier krijg ik die niet verdraaid.
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Berichtdoor Nachtuil » 18 sep 2022, 21:57

IMG_20220918_203326.jpg Ik had dus alleen de keerring vervangen en het lekte nog een beetje dus nog maar eens de bak gedemonteerd en de oliepomp er uit gehaald. Om die veertjes naar beneden te drukken heb je echt geen pers nodig. Ik heb mij een beugeltje geplooid en met een draadstang naar beneden gedraaid. Dat ging heel gemakkelijk.
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