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Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 08 okt 2017, 14:58

Problemen met starten en stopt soms onder het rijden, even rammelen aan het relais en vaak start de auto direct weer.
Veel gelezen over dit probleem en besloten de relais te openen, zie op 1 dingetje na (zie rode pijl) niks bijzonders.
Foto van printplaat gemaakt met professionele camera en ingezoomd, moest helaas de foto verkleinen om hem te hier te plaatsen. Kan eventueel het origineel mailen.
Graag de mening van iemand die dit varkentje vaker een bad gegeven heeft.
Mocht er iemand in de buurt van Hoogeveen zitten die deze dingen kan nameten/repareren zou ik het graag horen.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 08 okt 2017, 15:26

De paars aangegeven solderingen (en wellicht nog wel meer) lijken mij meer verdacht.

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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 08 okt 2017, 15:54

Dat wordt dus solderen volgens jouw mening?? Zal ik toch iemand moeten zoeken die met een soldeer-boutje overweg kan, is iets te fragiel voor mijn lompe handen.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 08 okt 2017, 16:37

Ja, alle punten even aanraken met een soldeerbout tot het soldeertin weer vloeibaar is, eventueel wat extra tin toevoegen.
Als je het zelf niet denkt te kunnen is er toch wel iemand in de buurt die het kan?
Een buur, familielid, elektronicazaak in de buurt ...
Of misschien meldt er zich hier nog iemand.
Opsturen naar kan natuurlijk ook, mocht er toch meer aan mankeren, dan kan hij dat vast en zeker meteen verhelpen.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 08 okt 2017, 16:49

Ga vast wel iemand vinden, als het verder niet lukt moet ik maar eens contact met de ander kant van Nederland opnemen. :) bedankt voor de (snelle) info.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 19 okt 2017, 15:05

Relais opnieuw gesoldeerd en er is iets vervangen (waardes waren niet goed) maar helaas de auto start helemaal niet meer. ook niet na het aandrukken van de relais :( iemand nog een tip of ideetje?????
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor Coupe280 » 19 okt 2017, 19:04

Probeer eens pin 7 en 8 in de relaisvoet door te verbinden.
Staat hier echt veel informatie over ,even zoekfunctie gebruiken.
Ik zit op telefoon dus kan niet zo veel schrijven als wat daar allemaal over beschreven is
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 21 okt 2017, 11:08

Ga ik maandag even proberen, was even druk met andere dingen.
Heb inmiddels wel allerlei info vergaard om het een en ander te testen, waaronder een elektrisch schema van mijn relais.
Laat nog van mij horen, tips blijven welkom.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor 126 » 21 okt 2017, 11:13

mooie gelegenheid om er een how to van te maken met het schema erbij. :ugeek:
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 21 okt 2017, 16:53

Doe mij eerst maar eens een how to voor meer tijd. :)
Heb het momenteel superdruk met andere dingen, gelukkig heb ik nog een goed lopende 124. ;)
Mocht er nog wat interessante info uit komen deel ik dat uiteraard hier.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor turbopapa » 24 okt 2017, 17:23

Relais deed het voor het solderen / vervangen onderdelen wel soms.

Daar misschien sluiting gemaakt of condensatoren met toch een verkeerde waarde gemonteerd ( of verkeerd om, zijn polariteit gevoelige elco’s )
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 25 okt 2017, 17:49

Andere relais op de kop kunnen tikken de auto start weer.
Auto stond bij de de garage toen deze me in de steek liet, had afspraak gemaakt met de monteur dat deze even zou testen of de auto wou starten door pin 7 en 8 door te verbinden....dan wist ik vrijwel zeker dat het relais stuk zou zijn.
Blijkt dus achteraf dat hij dit niet gedaan had maar aan het doormeten is geslagen in de kabelboom :( daarom dacht ik (onterecht) dat er wat anders defect zou zijn. Uiteindelijk zelf dus opgelost.
@turbopapa, auto sloeg af en toe af.....de laatste keer start hij helemaal niet weer. Wat er precies door de soldeerboer is gebeurd weet ik niet, ontdekte zelf wel dat er onderdelen los zaten, dit was niet het geval toen ik hem inleverde.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor turbopapa » 26 okt 2017, 01:39

Dolfje47 goed om te lezen dat het met een ander relais is opgelost.
Ik kan je ook nog laten weten dat de relais die uit China worden aangeboden ook werken.
Ze zijn lichter en ingegoten.
( wou weten wat er in zit maar kreeg ‘m niet open )
Ik heb er ooit 1 besteld voor Mn W124 die hetzelfde probleem had.

Maar dat terzijde het is opgelost gelukkig.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 26 okt 2017, 15:18

@turbopapa, ik kon "mijn" relais nergens anders vinden, alleen de originele.
Mocht je een link hebben dan ontvang ik die graag.
Tot nu toe start en rijd hij prima, echter al een drietal keer gehad dat ik echt moest doorstarten voordat de motor aansloeg. Dit meestal nadat hij langer dan een kwartier had stilgestaan. Ben dus wellicht iets te optimistisch geweest. :)
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor Vlim » 26 okt 2017, 22:36

Dat kan ook een andere oorzaak hebben. Zoals niet al te frisse injectoren.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 27 okt 2017, 10:56

@Vlim, weer een klusje erbij dus voor de wintermaanden.
Kwam gisteren ook tot ontdekking dat nu de km-teller het niet meer doet, telt ook niet meer op.
Heb al onderzoek gedaan en moet dus aan de sensor in de versnellingsbak liggen, wordt voorlopig met de Tomtom rijden voor de snelheidsaanduiding. Ergo, genoeg te doen dus komende winter. :)
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 27 okt 2017, 12:13

Kijk je zekeringen eerst eens na als je dat nog niet gedaan hebt, zekeringen die slecht contact maken zorgen ook voor allerlei spook storingen.
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor turbopapa » 27 okt 2017, 19:17

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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor turbopapa » 27 okt 2017, 19:24

Kijk eens wat ik heb gevonden op AliExpress
http://s.aliexpress.com/NvUveIvm

Tijdelijke teller ?
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Re: Brandstof relais 280SE

Berichtdoor dolfje47 » 28 okt 2017, 11:44

Het is een bijzondere auto, teller werkt weer perfect :)
Helaas startte hij gisteravond weer niet, moest mijn overbruggingskabeltje weer gebruiken. Thuis gekomen relais paar keer opnieuw erin gezet maar geen resultaat, losgehaald even doorheen geblazen en hoppa auto start weer gewoon.
Ondertussen ook even gemeten op pin 12 en 9 daar komt gewoon stroom op bij het starten zoals het hoort. (zie uitleg bijlage)
Ga nu dus weer twijfelen aan dit (tweedehands) relais.
@turbopapa, dat relais op aliexpress had ik al eens gezien is helaas het verkeerde nummer >> 0035452405 en ik moet nummer 0015454305

benzinepomp relais W126.docx
Je hebt geen permissies om de bijlage(n)) in dit bericht te zien.
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