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Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 20 okt 2018, 02:59

Hoi beste forum leden,

Ik ben bezig met het opknappen van een Benz van een vriend van ons.

Mercedes W126 300SEL m103 motor automaat.

Wij hebben het volgende probleem wat ik niet opgelost krijg, de auto schakeld pas over bij min 3000 rpm.
Bowden kabel zit op zijn loste stand helemaal ingedraaid maar ik krijg de toerental niet omlaag. Als ik de kabel strakker zet dan lijkt het of dat hij nog later schakeld en andersom helpt ook niet wat kan hier de oorzaak van zijn. auto schakelt verder fijn, vandaag automaatbak olie en filter vervangen.


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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 20 okt 2018, 13:21

Misschien zit de kickdown schakelaar vast (schakelaar kapot, of verkeerd gemonteerd, of klem onder de mat)?
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 20 okt 2018, 13:55

Klinkt best realistisch, hoe kan ik uitsluiten of de kickdown schakelaar kapot is? kickdownschakelaar loskoppelen en proberen ?
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Berichtdoor Leeflang » 20 okt 2018, 14:39

Yep
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Berichtdoor Frank117 » 20 okt 2018, 23:38

Gewoon doormeten met multimeter. De ene stand oneindig weerstand, de andere nul.
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 20 okt 2018, 23:57

Bij een schakelaar met 2 pinnen is dat zo (niet ingetrapt: oneindig, wel ingetrapt: nul), bij de versie met 4 pinnen zitten twee schakelaars ingebouwd, de ene schakelaar (pinnen 2 en 4) werkt ook zo, de andere (pinnen 1 en 3) net omgekeerd.
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 21 okt 2018, 13:36

Ik heb de kickdown schakelaar gedemoteerd maar dit heeft geen effect gehad. Auto schakeld nog steeds na 3000 rpm over indien je gas half loslaat anders gaat die door
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Berichtdoor 126 » 22 okt 2018, 06:26

Olie al gecheckt van automaat?
Als er te weinig inzit heb je ook rare verschijnselen.
Of als olie oud en zwart is.
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 22 okt 2018, 23:39

Olie en filter is pas geleden vervangen met Castrol ATF dex 2 en op peil gezet op bedrijfs tempratuur.
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 26 okt 2018, 21:32

probleem is nog steeds niet opgelost, als je onder het rijden het gaspedaal 80% loslaat dan wilt die wel is bij 25000 rpm op schakelen...
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Berichtdoor w126560td » 25 nov 2018, 01:06

probleem is nog steeds niet opgelost iemand enig idee
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor JohnPrins12 » 25 nov 2018, 22:48

Heb je de bak druk al gecontroleerd, gooi het vacuüm er eens helemaal af.
Je kan ook eens proberen de druk te veranderen, maar het moet natuurlijk met een druk meter aangesloten op de bak.
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 27 nov 2018, 01:02

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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor rojo124 » 27 nov 2018, 21:42

probeer de gaskabel ook eens te verstellen...het schakelmoment is afhankelijk van de bowden en de gaskabel (stand van het gaspedaal)
ik weet wel...als de gaskabel te strak staat dat hij dan te vroeg opschakeld ...dus ik denk dat de gaskabel strakker moet.\
bowden.pdf

verdraai de schroefnippels steeds een heel klein beetje..het luistert heel nauw
steeds een beetje verstellen en weer proefrijden...je merkt dan zelf wel welke kant je op moet en uiteindelijk kom je er wel.

of er moet een vacuümlek ergens zitten natuurlijk...maar ik weet wel als er ergens een slang af ligt dan valt er niet meer met de auto te rijden...dan klapt hij echt in de versnellingen...dus dat denk ik niet .
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 28 nov 2018, 02:01

Nummer 8 en 2 is om het gaspedaal aftestellen dus ik denk dat je deze doelt. nummer 43 staat helemaal ingedraait deze komt van de versnellingsbak.

Ik zal is proberen om de gaspedaal wat strakker te zetten.
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Berichtdoor Bayram » 28 nov 2018, 12:52

Die van mij laat ik ook soms schakelen door het gas iets los te laten.
Anders duurt het mij soms net wat te lang voor hij uit zichzelf schakelt.

Ik begrijp dus dat er dan iets niet goed is?
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 29 nov 2018, 01:12

[quote="Bayram"][/quote]

Bayram klein beetje is niet zo een punt, ik denk dat de meeste (oude) automaat gebruikers gas terug trekken om zelf een beetje het schakel moment te bepalen. Als de automaatbak goed afgesteld is dan zou bij minimale terugname van het gaspedaal de versnelling op moeten schakelen als de ingestelde schakelmoment ongeveer bereikt is. Schakel moment wordt bij onze benzen ook bepaald hoeveel procent gas je geeft.

Voorbeeld als je bij 50% gas ingetrapt aanhoudend het pedaal indrukt zonder gas terug te nemen zal je automaat bij 2600 RPM op schakelen , bij 60% 3000 rpm aanhoudent. Mocht je bij 60% gas plots gas vermindereren naar 55% dan zal de auto alsnog rond de 2600 RPM schakelen. Gas precentage vermindering betekent opschakelen en dit moet voldoende zijn met een kleine beweging van max 5%. (Waardes zijn voorbeeld waardes)

Ons probleem is anders onze bowden kabel is op zijn laagste stand ingesteld en de auto schakeld pas bij 3500 toeren als je 80% gas terug trekt dit hoort niet.

Nieuwere automaat bakken hebben zelf lerende schakel momenten deze waardes kun je met een uitlees aparatuut op nul zetten en de automaat inrijden op jou rijstijl. Je leert de automaat in en de automaat herkent deze patron en zal zich aanpassen aan jou rij gedrag. In princiepe zou je bij nieuwere automaten dus absoluut geen gas teug hoeven te nemen maar het kan wel :D
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Re: Bowden kabel te hoge toerental

Berichtdoor w126560td » 17 aug 2019, 15:25

Probleem is opgelost.

Ondanks dat de bowden kabel op zijn loste stand stond schakelde de auto op hoge toerental en je moest gas los laten.

Gister heb ik iets anders geprobeerd. Ik heb de steunstang waar de bowden kabel op bevestigt is eeb klein beetje naar binnen toe gebogen. Dit heeft eigenlijk het zelfde efect als dat je de bowden kabel naar binnen toe draait. Ik heb deze weg gekozen omdat de kabel helemaal ingedraaid was en ik vond dat die nog losser moest. Daarom heb ik de bevestigings stangetje naar binnen gebogen.

Resultaat auto schakeld nu bij 2200 rpm over zonder dat je gas hoeft terug te nemen.
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