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Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 01 jun 2020, 16:35

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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 01 jun 2020, 17:38

Nog niet, Hans. Ik begreep dat je dat nogal voorzichtig moet doen. Of valt dat allemaal wel mee?
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 02 jun 2020, 14:28

Bedankt, dat wordt dan mijn volgende stap.

Ik stuitte net op de volgende reactie van Leeflang op nota bene mijn eigen vraag :oops: :



Daarmee is (beter: was al) een deel van mijn vragen beantwoord. Blijft nog de vraag wat nu bij mij precies het probleem is. Hopelijk wordt dat beantwoord als ik het ventiel zelf eens goed bekeken heb.
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Vlim » 02 jun 2020, 17:32

Waarschijnlijk het rubber van het ventiel gescheurd. Is een vaak voorkomend probleempje.
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 03 jun 2020, 15:12

Je hebt geen permissies om de bijlage(n)) in dit bericht te zien.
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 03 jun 2020, 16:20

Geen scheurtje te zien, zag er allemaal pico bello uit eigenlijk. Ik kon hem er ook heel makkelijk uit trekken en hij veerde ook zonder problemen weer direct terug.

Heel basaal vraagje: had ik gewoon rechtstreeks vanaf de accu 12 volt op een van die pinnen kunnen zetten (en de andere pin dan aan de massa)? Of gebruik je daar een veiligere 12 volt-bron voor?
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Vlim » 03 jun 2020, 16:36

Die ziet erg op het oog goed uit.

Volgende stap zou het checken van de bediening zijn. Soldeercontacten willen nog wel eens slecht in die unit.
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 03 jun 2020, 16:57

En daar zijn onderstaande instructies weer heel erg nuttig bij:

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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 14 jun 2020, 15:07

Gisteren deed het probleem met de hete lucht zich (onderweg) weer voor. Had geen multimeter bij me, dus kon ook niets meten op dat moment. Stekkertje op het ventiel even loshalen en terugplaatsen hielp ook niet. Airco erbij aanzetten gelukkig wel een beetje.

Inmiddels heb ik het bestudeerd. Als ik het allemaal goed begrijp staat er (bij contact aan) altijd 12 volt op het monoventiel. Er loopt immers een directe verbinding van zekering 10 naar het monoventiel. Het al dan niet sluiten van het circuit gebeurt dan via de massa.

De verbinding met de massa wordt weer geregeld door de bedieningseenheid en de temperatuurregelaar. Wat ik nu graag zou willen weten is of het nu klopt dat de temperatuurregelaar als het ware wordt overgeslagen als het temperatuurwieltje op "MIN" wordt gezet. Dat lijkt me wel zo als ik het schema bekijk. Als de temperature dial op "MIN" staat wordt er volgens mij een directe verbinding met "G102" gemaakt. "G" staat dan voor ground, oftewel de massa.

Als dat namelijk klopt, dan weet ik in ieder geval dat het niet de temperatuurregelaar is. En dan zou mijn volgende stap zijn om de soldeerverbindingen in de bedieningsunit te gaan controleren. Want op standje "MIN" komt blijkbaar de verbinding met de massa niet goed tot stand als het probleem zich voordoet.
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 18 jun 2020, 17:51

Ik denk dat ik inderdaad het schema verkeerd gelezen heb en dat de temperatuurregelaar wel degelijk altijd het ventiel aanstuurt. En ja, dan is de kans inderdaad groot dat de temperatuurregelaar de boosdoener is in mijn geval.

Zijn deze nog bij de dealer te bestellen?
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 18 jun 2020, 18:31

De temperatuurmodule bedoel ik. Die bij het dashboardkastje onder in de buurt zit.
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 26 jun 2020, 13:23

Inmiddels bij Hans een gereviseerde unit uitgeprobeerd, waarvoor nogmaals hartelijk dank! Het maakte geen enkel verschil. Dus daar zit het niet in.

Wel nog een keer het ventiel eruit gehaald en direct op 12 volt aangesloten. Hoewel het ventiel met de hand redelijk gemakkelijk op en neer te bewegen is, lukt het de magnetische spoel niet om het ventiel voldoende naar buiten te drukken. Zie onderstaand filmpje:



Het lijkt erop dat er in de cilinder van het ventiel wat corrosie of andere troep zit waardoor die toch niet soepel genoeg beweegt.

Ik heb inmiddels een nieuw BMW (!) kachelventiel besteld dat, als het goed is, exact dezelfde is als die in onze wagens zit. Ik zal hier nog laten weten of dat ook daadwerkelijk zo is.
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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor Machiel » 13 jul 2020, 10:19

Opgelost. Ik heb een gereviseerd kachelventiel gevonden en daarmee werkt alles weer zoals het hoort. :handgestures-thumbup: Het BMW kachelventiel dat ik besteld had was voorlopig niet leverbaar, dus die bestelling heb ik geannuleerd.

Mijn les: check bij eventuele problemen of het kachelventiel zijn werk goed doet, ook al ziet het rubber er goed uit en kun je hem met de hand soepel heen en weer bewegen. Gewoon even 12 volt erop zetten en kijken wat die doet.

Hieronder nog een filmpje van een goed werkend ventiel. Zie mijn vorig bericht voor een filmpje van een niet goed werkend ventiel.

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Re: Verwarrende diagnose kachelventiel

Berichtdoor JBenz » 15 jul 2020, 17:21

Weer wat bijgeleerd... dank!
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