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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor JoepJoep » 17 jun 2012, 10:48

Wow. Zo werkt dat dus .. Cool!
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor ElGriffo » 17 jun 2012, 11:11

in koelvloeistof zit glycol en daar kan de voering matariaal niet tegen , het lost er van op.

in de koppelomvormers van de latere types zit een lock up (KUB oft. overbruggingskoppeling) en daat zit ook
een koppelingsplaatje in . zoals gezegd heeft de W126 die niet

het kan namelijk zijn dat tijdens het afkoelen er koelvloeistof bij de bakolie komt

vaak kwam dit bij de W211 en de opel vectra voor
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor Buurman » 17 jun 2012, 11:26

Okee, dacht dat er alleen ATF door de koelerradiateur liep, die dan gekoeld word door rijwind en fan.
Dus daar loopt ook koelvloeistof doorheen?
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor ElGriffo » 17 jun 2012, 11:45

Bij de 280 M110 motor is hij wellicht los van de koelradiateur dan is het niet van toepassing.

Bij de 8 cilinders zit hij opgenomen in de radiateur (2 aansluitingen onder aan de bak )
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor Buurman » 17 jun 2012, 12:42

Yeap, ja normaal gesproken loop ik even naar buiten om te kijken hoe het zit.
Maar mijn toekomstige 380SE staat nog aan de andere kant van de afsluitdijk in Sexbieurum met een lekkende automaat

Ben nu als het goed is W126 manual aan het downloaden, kan ik het mooi allemaal op de PC bekijken.
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor ll-cool-gj » 03 nov 2020, 22:42

Ik heb dezelfde problemen na het vervangen van de primaire pomp. Koppelomvormer zat diep genoeg in de automaat bak. Automaatbak teruggeplaatst, alles aangesloten, gevuld met 4 liter automaat olie. Bij starten hoor je echter klak, alsof de bak weerstand geeft. In p en n proberen te starten: klak! Motor aan de krukas getornd; gaat rond. Is dit dan mogelijk toch te wijten aan dat de koppelomvormer niet goed zit?
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor hans000 » 04 nov 2020, 20:02

Als ik het zo lees, heb jij hetzelfde probleem.
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor ll-cool-gj » 04 nov 2020, 21:54

Klopt, maar ik ben benieuwd wat de clou was of ik heb deze gemist
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Berichtdoor ll-cool-gj » 04 nov 2020, 22:01

Als ik het goed begrijp zat de koppelomvormer niet goed. Deze heb ik voor monteren gecontroleerd, 2 x eromheen laten vallen. Die 5 cm had ik ook.
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor john37 » 05 nov 2020, 14:43

Wat bedoel je precies met "KlaK"?Gaat de motor wel opf niet rond ?

Kun je hem wel met een dopsleutel op de krukas rond dan is het de startmotor, of de Niet starten in R,D,2 of 1 schakelaar.
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor ll-cool-gj » 05 nov 2020, 16:35

Da's een goeie John, want krukas gaat wel rond. Zal de startmotor observeren
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor john37 » 05 nov 2020, 17:00

Of je accu is aan gort, of de klemmen zitten er niet goed op.
Wat doet je accu spanning (direct op de polen gemeten) als je probeert te starten ?
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor ll-cool-gj » 12 nov 2020, 21:24

Accu is in orde. 2 accu s geprobeerd: een 80 en 74, beide zijn nieuw en zakken niet onder de 10v tijdens starten. Startmotor grijpt grote krans aan maar maakt een kleine beweging. Krukas draait wel vrij
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor john37 » 13 nov 2020, 09:56

Als je met een dopsleutel op de krukas die helemaal rond kunt, en het lukt de startmotor niet,
Dan zijn er 2 mogelijkheden.

1. Accu stuk
2. Startmotor stuk

Ook allebei is heel goed mogelijk ( weet ik uit ervaring bij een bijna 30 jaar oude niet MB Diesel)
Mijn redenering was toen:
Doordat de (bijna) kapotte accu onvoldoende energie had, kwam het tandwiel bij starten niet snel genoeg op de starterkrans waardoor de schakelaar in het hulprelais op de startmotor kapot ging.

De uitgebouwde oude startmotor wilde niet eens draaien als hij los op de accu zat aangesloten (maar tandwiel kwam wel naar voren)

Na vervangen van de startmotor en accu starte de auto weer als een zonnetje.

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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor ll-cool-gj » 13 nov 2020, 11:13

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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor Leeflang » 13 nov 2020, 15:53

Zijn de massa kabels (accu naar chassis en motor naar chassis) nog in orde?
Optimum aut nihil.
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Berichtdoor ll-cool-gj » 13 nov 2020, 19:33

Idd maar super blij!
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Re: automaatbak

Berichtdoor john37 » 14 nov 2020, 13:39

Top dat het is opgelost.

Ik was ervan uitgegaan dat je in beide gevallen de accu direct in de auto had gezet, maar dat was dus niet zo.
Of zoals ze in goed engels zeggen. "Assumptions are the mother of all F*** U**"

Het contactvlak van startkabels is maar heel klein vergeleken met de poolklemmen voor op de accu.
En de meeste startkabels hebben ook nog een erbarmelijk kleine ader doorsnede.
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